I found out Photoshop is still hard but it may be worth the price. Illustrator seems to be the program most designers use. I will be looking into that one as well. Sometimes the old saying is true, you get what you pay for. I'm not putting the Intertwined program down, just that it has limits on what it can do. If all I wanted was to put out a chart, it would be great. However, I want to do more and it isn't designed to do full patterns. I would have to cobble the chart into another document and hope it comes out readable. I can do that but if another program can do it all, why wouldn't I so that. It's all boils down to how serious am I about designing and publishing patterns. There is interest out there so it just may be worth the money.